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Newly Enlightened
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The perplexing conundrum 607 b.c.e condensed down to ONE SIMPLE FACT
by Brother of the Hawk ini was encouraged to post this thought, so here it is.. i recently finished reading "the gentile times reconsidered" by bro.
carl olof jonsson, ( third edition).
phew!!
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Elders! Elders everywhere!
by Julia Orwell inan elder came around this morning at 9am to ask if my husband wanted to come with him on a bible study.
my husband nipped from the bathroom to the bedroom in his undies to get dressed, while i talked to the elder!
the elder talked about how he just happened to think my husband might be free this morning, and just happened to get a call from someone wanting a bible study, and then he said to me, "why don't you come visit my house some time?
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Newly Enlightened
Hi Julia, you better check your bushes and trees, they're lurking and probably have hidden cameras. I have seen this happen.
To add to Gojiras post about our friends that were victims of a 'witch hunt', they came out here a month later and asked what we had told the elders, because the elders told them that we had said some things about their daughter. TOTAL LIE! We had never met their daughter, seen their daughter, or even knew what, if anything, she was even doing. So the dad went back and confronted that elder. Elder actually came out here and apologized for involving us in something that was not of our concern. Never admitted to us that he lied, but he did finally admit to the dad that he 'overstepped his authority.'
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Circuit Oversears treated like gods...did this happen in your Hall!!!
by Witness 007 inbrothers would full on laugh at the c.o's lame jokes.
fight over who gets him for dinner where no expense would be speared..."oh they dont eat flour, sugars or milk products...".
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Newly Enlightened
We had one years ago that was a real piece of work. G. Fields. He came in and had his own little 'Boy's club'. Only his ass kisser, good 'ol boys got parts on the conventions. When they left, our cong rented a hall and gave them a HUGE party. They even sang 'For he's a jolly good fellow'
Thank goodness we did not go because we couldn't stand the jerk. A week later, hubby was pulled into the back room and asked why weren't we there. The butt kisser elder actually said, "imagine how I felt when I noticed that my brother was not there." Funny, they had never given a crap about us before.
There was another I know of personally that admitted when they retired from the circuit work, the circuit BOUGHT them a nice house and because of the 'green' handshakes thru the years had a nice little nest egg of $130,000 to live on, plus their usual Social Security checks.
Sickening
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The perplexing conundrum 607 b.c.e condensed down to ONE SIMPLE FACT
by Brother of the Hawk ini was encouraged to post this thought, so here it is.. i recently finished reading "the gentile times reconsidered" by bro.
carl olof jonsson, ( third edition).
phew!!
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Newly Enlightened
Thank you Amelia, I didn't know that.
Not Shirley: Thank you for your intelligent comments. You are right, unfortunately some just have to have their say posted on here whether it's on topic or not.
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The perplexing conundrum 607 b.c.e condensed down to ONE SIMPLE FACT
by Brother of the Hawk ini was encouraged to post this thought, so here it is.. i recently finished reading "the gentile times reconsidered" by bro.
carl olof jonsson, ( third edition).
phew!!
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Newly Enlightened
Thank Not Shirley! Well done!
Carl Olaf Jonsson does go into the Neo-Babylonian kingship's and the astrological proof, solar & lunar eclipses and etc. I have a Dr's appt this morning so I cannot go get quotes from it right now, but I can if anyone wants to still claim that COJ did not present enough evidence. He has 14 DIFFERENT lines of evidence by the 3rd edition of his book. I've read that by his 4th edition there was even more.
Amelia, thank you, we're sorry for misunderstanding your intentions.
Hubby was only trying to help those of you that keep talking about having something simple to approach your JW friends and family on. He was not expecting to have all this complicated arguing back & forth about dates and reigns of kings, etc.
I don't know if he will ever bring up another subject again.
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Just realized I hadn't posted my story here yet
by Newly Enlightened ini've been so busy on other subjects and other people's interesting stories that i had not noticed that i had not posted my story on this forum yet.
kind of boring.
the usual.
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Thank you.
Julia: I would love to meet you one day also. Gojira has told me how you've become great friends. I've enjoyed all of your posts, keep 'em coming.
Love you all.
K
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An offer from the Governing Body
by irondork in.
the governing body took us along to an unusually high mountain, and showed us all the friends and family members that had been ripped away and they said to us.... .
all these people we will give back to you if you fall down and do an act of worship to us.
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Newly Enlightened
Very profound. Brought tears to my eyes and makes me feel stronger in my conviction that I will not compromise my beliefs and principles for anything, including my love ones. I cannot go back to lies.
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The perplexing conundrum 607 b.c.e condensed down to ONE SIMPLE FACT
by Brother of the Hawk ini was encouraged to post this thought, so here it is.. i recently finished reading "the gentile times reconsidered" by bro.
carl olof jonsson, ( third edition).
phew!!
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Newly Enlightened
Thank you Pterist. That chart was very helpful in showing that he was a true prophet and Jerusalem was destroyed in 587/86... I was going to copy that chart to my post but figured it may not help anyone that is using the WT$ literature to still prove that the JW's are right.
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Just realized I hadn't posted my story here yet
by Newly Enlightened ini've been so busy on other subjects and other people's interesting stories that i had not noticed that i had not posted my story on this forum yet.
kind of boring.
the usual.
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Newly Enlightened
Hi Everyone. I've been so busy on other subjects and other people's interesting stories that I had not noticed that I had not posted my story on this forum yet. Kind of boring. The usual. My mom was introduced to the JW's when I was a baby, studied off and on for several years. Wasn't until we moved to another city and met a very nice older couple that studied with my parents. My dad was DF'd in 1972 for smoking. It was difficult because all the other JW kids would go around even at school and tell the other kids not to talk to me because our family was evil and disfellowshipped [Like other school kids would even know what that meant]
Fast forward to 1979, When I met a nice young brother that had just moved out west from back east. I was 15 at the time and he was 17 [I don't recommend that young by the way] . Love at first sight I guess and we were married 9 months later. Not before the elders of my KH pitched a royal fit tho. It was so bad because of rumors that we 'had to get married' that we had to go to another hall to be married. I remember one elder slamming his fist on our table and telling my dad that we had no right getting married at our young age and that we couldn't possibly know what love was and it was just lust and infatuation.
Funny thing about that elder. He moved back to the cong. several years later that Hubby & I were in. At first he didn't recognize us [It had been at least 15 years by then]. As I shook his hand, I reminded him what he had said and told him that Hubby & I had just celebrated our 15th anniversary and it was still just lust and that we stay together just to prove him WRONG!. Boy did he turn all shades of red & purple. I was joking of course. But his face was priceless. We will celebrate 34 yrs in Sept.
We had one kid, a lovely, great daughter [Gojira_101]. Didn't want to have any more because we were already pushing our luck with the Big 'A' around the corner. I can remember all of us saying, well at least she won't have to grow up in this rotten system and go to school. So 30 yrs later, she's is married herself now and they're doing great!
Hubby was able to regular pioneer for 1.5 yrs. Was an MS for 7 yrs and you wouldn't believe some of the 'crap' we had to put up with. I had a good paying job and was working full time so that Hubby could regualr pioneer, do you think the elders would be happy that a BROTHER was able to work only part time and pioneer? NO! I shouldn't have been the main support for the family. Then they told him that it appeared that I had lost my joy so they wanted him to work and study with me more so I could get my 'appreciation' back. Um, I'm miserable because these men were making our lives HELL. They kept dangling the carrot in front of Hubby to become an elder, but Gojira & I needed to get our service time up. So Gojira started regular pioneering. You can read that story on this topic: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/244665/1/One-experience-in-our-old-Kingdom-Hall-that-still-HAUNTS-me
I couldn't get my service time up anymore because I was working 60 hours a week.
So we got fed up with all the BS and moved to another state. I couldn't find any other office manager positions in the area we lived so I took a job at a dry-cleaners. In 2002 I was spraying waterproofing onto a jacket in a closed up room and couldn't breathe and almsot passed out. Instead of calling an ambulance the other workers just took me outside and said I would be fine. I wasn't! The chemical had burned the lining of my lungs and I developed Multiple Chemical Sensitivities and Asthma to the point that I could no longer work. Perfume, smoke, diesel fumes, dry-cleaning chemicals and especially anything with perclorethyelene in it. The minute I would walk into the KH, I would break out into a red rash on my chest and neck, my throat closes up and I start coughing and unable to breathe. I kept trying to go to meetings for the next several months. Even tried a circuit assembly and ended up in the first aid dept. with a brother who was an EMT. I was turning blue and could not breathe, almost killed me! I never tried to go to another meeting again.
When I tried explaining all this to my JW family, they could not understand the mental anguish I was going thru. To top it off, my own mother-in-law told me that I was going to die at the big 'A'. My little brother who is an elder and in the International building work doesn't talk to me. My sister has completely shunning me now [ http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/244524/1/Ive-just-been-Outted-by-my-own-sister
Because of my lung problems now, we had to move back to the Southwest, U.S.A. Got connected to a congregation here that is pretty nice, but same thing, they don't understand the situation. You can read some of my other posts of some things that have happened recently but it boiled down to we did not see any love from the cong. or our own family.
But we've learned TTATT from a dear friend of ours and we're happy and doing ok. And VERY happy to all be on this forum with you all
Sorry this is so long, but besides boring, I'm long winded and stuck at home
Love you all
K
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JW Bombshell Seeds
by snare&racket inthough it is true that one conversation or one jw bombshell will unlikely rock a member from the cult, we are all here as a result of leaving or realising the lies we were fed, doubtless all the bombshells we heard or considered contributed to us leaving.. there seems to be a lot of apathy here at the moment that facts and information are not enough to convince a jw of the lies in watchtower.. this is not true.
even if one missile does not bring down the wall, it contributes to its fall.. information empowers people, it is the most valuble asset in the war on cults.
it may not sink the boat immediatly, but we know it springs leaks.
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Newly Enlightened
I know what you mean. My Hubby just did a post on another topic of something very simple to bring a JW to the point of thinking about something and quite a few were trying to disprove/dissolve it. It was very discouraging that they would rather be negative and say hey that's not gonna work instead of even trying to see the simplicity and logic of it. Here's his post if you want to see what I mean...
We've been in this org. for 40+ years and we've dealt with this same BS from elders, CO's, & DO's we've had some experience in dealing with the JW mentality.
But you're right. Plant small seeds and TRY!!!